That other site

[Daniel M B]

Well, I said I'll take a stab and what ever comes up first I'll copy, So this was it....of the bat.

' Wrote:**********Disclaimer**********
I wish to set forth that I am not molokan bashing
There are the 3 general groups within the molokan community

Group 1 - Christians: 66 Book, Jesus is fully God AND fully man and He is one of the members of the Tri-Hypostasis (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). He physically came to Earth and died on the Cross at Calvary for my sin. I cannot earn my way to Heaven by my works. It is by Grace I have been saved. (Reference Ephesians 2:8-10)

Group 2 - Traditionalists: You "make it" to Heaven through a "hodge-podge" of ceremony, works, lineage etc...This group is propagating a lie

Group 3 - Occultists: The 2 book, we're the "New Israel" because God changed His mind about the "old" Israel, we're of the woman of the seed, we have our "special" way to Heaven by MGR as our "new christ" + ceremony, works, lineage but when asked we cannot explain but will attempt to blame the "ecumenical 666 church" for something. This group is also propagating a lie

I have no doctrinal issues with Group 1. How can I?

Traditionalists have replaced Jesus with ceremony, works, lineage etc...

Occultists have replaced Jesus with mgr/S & L

When I speak about molokans, the majority of the time, I'm referring to groups 2 & 3

We're not trying to prove all molokan's Scripturally incorrect rather, we are engaging groups 2 & 3 in the light of Scripture
**********End Disclaimer**********

I was going to write something, but I want to see how you explain this.

[mud]

(05-23-2010 08:41 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Well, I said I'll take a stab and what ever comes up first I'll copy, So this was it....of the bat.

' Wrote:**********Disclaimer**********
I wish to set forth that I am not molokan bashing
There are the 3 general groups within the molokan community

Group 1 - Christians: 66 Book, Jesus is fully God AND fully man and He is one of the members of the Tri-Hypostasis (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). He physically came to Earth and died on the Cross at Calvary for my sin. I cannot earn my way to Heaven by my works. It is by Grace I have been saved. (Reference Ephesians 2:8-10)

Group 2 - Traditionalists: You "make it" to Heaven through a "hodge-podge" of ceremony, works, lineage etc...This group is propagating a lie

Group 3 - Occultists: The 2 book, we're the "New Israel" because God changed His mind about the "old" Israel, we're of the woman of the seed, we have our "special" way to Heaven by MGR as our "new christ" + ceremony, works, lineage but when asked we cannot explain but will attempt to blame the "ecumenical 666 church" for something. This group is also propagating a lie

I have no doctrinal issues with Group 1. How can I?

Traditionalists have replaced Jesus with ceremony, works, lineage etc...

Occultists have replaced Jesus with mgr/S & L

When I speak about molokans, the majority of the time, I'm referring to groups 2 & 3

We're not trying to prove all molokan's Scripturally incorrect rather, we are engaging groups 2 & 3 in the light of Scripture
**********End Disclaimer**********

I was going to write something, but I want to see how you explain this.

I don't see any claim that states Jesus is the Father in what you posted. In fact it clearly notes that Jesus is "one of the members" of the "tri-hypostasis" called God. Very sci-fi sounding. So there is one "stasis" called the Father, one "stasis" called the Son, and one "stasis" called the Holy Spirit. I'm sure when they say that Jesus is one of these, they're referencing the Son. Not the Father.

[Daniel M B]

Hey Kevin,

If it wasn't for ANTIGROUPISIM most of your mates would have noyhing to talk about.

I really hope they all read that and take it to heart.

Dan

[RedOctober]

I'm in agreement with Mud here, I don't believe you will find anyone over there state Jesus is the Father....only Jesus is God (and ignore Jesus the Son of God). That would be counter to the Trinity Doctrine (heh..and at the same time, not completely). A number are so wrapped up in dogma from politically charged man made religious councils, I'm certain they would never doubt it or call it into question, much less contradict it.

But what I find bemusing is:

Quote:I wish to set forth that I am not molokan bashing
There are the 3 general groups within the molokan community

Group 1 - Christians: 66 Book, Jesus is fully God AND fully man and He is one of the members of the Tri-Hypostasis (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). He physically came to Earth and died on the Cross at Calvary for my sin. I cannot earn my way to Heaven by my works. It is by Grace I have been saved. (Reference Ephesians 2:8-10)

....and yet at the same time this individual claims to not know what a Molokan is (despite the text book definition portrayed here for both Priguni and Postyanni). So how can you say your not bashing a group when you don't know what it is and yet at the same time attack it?

Furthermore, this individuals "group 1" is a myth, there is no such thing. Both Priguni and Postyanni Molokans use the Bible from the Russian Orthodox Church....which includes the Apocrypha. Therefore, its impossible to be a 66 book Molokan, should you reject the Apocrypha, you would be a different or new religion. As typical, more posturing and grandstanding by this person. He revels in his condemnation of others but knows full well he could be called on it. So to avert this, he creates an impossible and non-existent group of Molokans to appease any critics and appease others who haven't quite "let go".

[KPN]

(05-25-2010 12:52 AM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Hey Kevin,

If it wasn't for ANTIGROUPISIM most of your mates would have noyhing to talk about.

I really hope they all read that and take it to heart.

Dan

I hope all who read it are drawn a little closer to God.
If that article does not draw one of His elect to a closer walk with Himself, it is not worth reading.

When I first read it, I was immediately convicted in my heart and had to repent of some ill feelings.

So, I think the point is for each of us to check ourselves, and not start pointing the finger at everybody else.

Our attitude should be that like the disciples when Jesus warned them that one of them was a betrayer.
They each could have started to point the finger at who they thought it was. But instead, in grief, they asked, "It's not me is it? Oh, Lord, not me!" (KPN paraphrase version)

21 As they were eating, He said, “Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me.”
22 Being deeply grieved, they each one began to say to Him, “Surely not I, Lord?” Matthew 26: 21-22 NASB




Also, like King David, we should ask the Lord to search and know our hearts and purge out anything "unclean" that resides in there.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
Try me and know my anxious thoughts;
24 And see if there be any hurtful way in me,
And lead me in the everlasting way. Psalm 139: 23-24 NASB




Now in saying this, there will be a time when all true believers who have let the Lord deal with the planks in their eye, will in turn be compelled by the love of God to help remove the specks in his brothers eye.
5 “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5 NASB

Only someone who sees clearly can impart this Godly, loving correction toward his brother in Christ.
And it is only by the power of the Holy Spirit that this delicate process can be done according to God's will.

[Daniel M B]

Okay.....I must be missing something,

There is one God, Father to all, and Jesus is his begotten Son, and the Holy Spirit that does His will.

So, as they say, if there is one God, as the Father and the Son and the Spirit,
God came to earth in the flesh as Jesus, died and resurrected Himself through His Spirit.....
I would presume that, from that theory, Jesus was the Father.........

Uuuuhm......People actually beleive this stuff?

[RedOctober]

Dan,

You went an assumption too far. LOL! You weren't supposed to take it to the next level...well according to those who are proponents of the Trinity Doctrine. And accordingly, you are supposed to just accept it...even though it seems incomprehensible.

[Daniel M B]

Sorry Red. What was I thinking! (I've wanting to use this for ages, here it is)









LOL-Is right!!!!!!!

[RedOctober]

(05-27-2010 09:04 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Sorry Red. What was I thinking! (I've wanting to use this for ages, here it is)









LOL-Is right!!!!!!!

After your PM yesterday, I took a look at .nutters a little while ago.

*sigh* There at it again. Whenever they get bored they must throw a dart at a name board on who they are going to try to provoke next....sheesh...I can't even remember the last time I attempted to post anything over there.

That...or they really are drinking way too much from the delusional pool.

[A.O.L.]

(05-26-2010 01:29 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Okay.....I must be missing something,

I would presume that, from that theory, Jesus was the Father.........

Uuuuhm......People actually beleive this stuff?

Yes, you are missing a whole lot. Fortunately, this people believes, except that Jesus was and is God the Son and One with the Father.

Always Observing & Listening