That other site

[wall]

(03-25-2010 11:58 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Wall, get a group of your molokan mates together and study all the scriptures (OT, NT and S&L)
Put it all together, find an elder (that has understanding of all the books) that you can get some advice from and go from there.
Why do we need John Smith or Paul Jones to teach us, when we have our own that are qualified?
Just a thought. (Thats if you haven't made up your mind already!)

Thanks for the advice Dan. I have and actually am currently doing this. But I've cut down two classes to one this year.

[Daniel M B]

(03-26-2010 11:19 AM)wall Wrote:  

(03-25-2010 11:58 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Wall, get a group of your molokan mates together and study all the scriptures (OT, NT and S&L)
Put it all together, find an elder (that has understanding of all the books) that you can get some advice from and go from there.
Why do we need John Smith or Paul Jones to teach us, when we have our own that are qualified?
Just a thought. (That's if you haven't made up your mind already!)

Thanks for the advice Dan. I have and actually am currently doing this. But I've cut down two classes to one this year.

Glad to help, (I'm no expert.)

All this isn't about you or me.
We have to pave a path, as did our fathers and fore fathers.
What is the next generation going to get from us?
Are their children going to be brought up as calvary, baptist or some other Christian religion?
There are a few people that are not happy with being molokans,
and you know they will have problems where ever they go!
They will disagree with some thing and go against that group.
Those people are just not happy about them selves, and their lot in life.
How many molokan churches are there in LA, Oregon, Arizona,
Australia,South America(?), Armenia and Russia?
Every single one is slightly different from the other, it might take some
time but I'm sure we can find some thing to our liking or understanding.
We must teach our children about our faith and let them see our works,
let them decide what path they want to take.
Pray they choose the correct one, not by our will but Gods.
But we can not deny them that opportunity!

[Daniel M B]

At .net even the "happy" people have a place next to Jesus?????????

From the Revelation of Jesus Christ,
14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life
and may go through the gates into the city.

15 Outside are the <<dogs>>, those who practice magic arts, <<the sexually immoral>>, the murderers,
the idolaters <<and everyone who loves and practices falsehood>>.

We don't hear to much about the Sodomites, just that they were destroyed for their falsehood!

[fourvetta]

(03-31-2010 02:00 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  At .net even the "happy" people have a place next to Jesus?????????

From the Revelation of Jesus Christ,
14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life
and may go through the gates into the city.

15 Outside are the <<dogs>>, those who practice magic arts, <<the sexually immoral>>, the murderers,
the idolaters <<and everyone who loves and practices falsehood>>.

We don't hear to much about the Sodomites, just that they were destroyed for their falsehood!

The fearful and the unbeliever are the first ones not to enter.

[mary]

Thanks to all for the interesting dialogue without bashing... I looked at the "other" site 2 days ago-lots of bashing and demeaning talk going on. Its refreshing to hear how we can agree to disagree or have thoughts about the others beliefs that makes us search out by scripture our own belief....

[KPN]

(03-23-2010 03:00 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  By saying that God (the Father) became flesh and died, is taking away from Christ what is Christs,
thus becoming anti-Christ!

Most Christians do not believe that Jesus is the Father.

Have you ever heard first hand from someone who professes to be a Christian, that they believe Jesus is the Father?

thanks!

[KPN]

(01-25-2010 12:22 AM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Try thinking as God being a last name.
MGR writes "Father the God, Son the God, Spirit the God"
In russian "Otes Boh, Sien Boh ect."
They are Gods, as we beleive, but 3 diffrent faces and diffrent ranks,
of the same family, but equal in judgment.
Blasphamy on the Spirit is not forgiven because He (the True Spirit) is the messanger,
like in the old stories you'd get judgment for killing someone,
but if you killed the messanger it was an instant hanging.
It seems to me that "guest" is a trinitarian send him back to the other site where he'll feel right at home.

In my attempt to study the Trinity, I have found that the word "God" is not a name, but a title.
When Moses asked for "God's" name, the reply was = Yahweh
God's name is Yahweh, Yahweh's title is God.
13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Ex 3:13-14 NASB

[RedOctober]

I could probably argue against the Trinity Doctrine to no end...but sometime back, decided it was a fruitless endeavor when people just dismiss (which actually mean ignore and avoid) the obvious facts and issues. Attaching a PDF I found online, you may want to read it.

(05-16-2010 09:48 PM)KPN Wrote:  

(01-25-2010 12:22 AM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Try thinking as God being a last name.
MGR writes "Father the God, Son the God, Spirit the God"
In russian "Otes Boh, Sien Boh ect."
They are Gods, as we beleive, but 3 diffrent faces and diffrent ranks,
of the same family, but equal in judgment.
Blasphamy on the Spirit is not forgiven because He (the True Spirit) is the messanger,
like in the old stories you'd get judgment for killing someone,
but if you killed the messanger it was an instant hanging.
It seems to me that "guest" is a trinitarian send him back to the other site where he'll feel right at home.

In my attempt to study the Trinity, I have found that the word "God" is not a name, but a title.
When Moses asked for "God's" name, the reply was = Yahweh
God's name is Yahweh, Yahweh's title is God.
13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Ex 3:13-14 NASB

[Daniel M B]

(05-16-2010 09:27 PM)KPN Wrote:  

(03-23-2010 03:00 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  By saying that God (the Father) became flesh and died, is taking away from Christ what is Christs,
thus becoming anti-Christ!

Most Christians do not believe that Jesus is the Father.

Have you ever heard first hand from someone who professes to be a Christian, that they believe Jesus is the Father?

thanks!

Are you blind? What do all your buddies on .net say?

Oh sorry I forgot they ain't Christian!

[mud]

(05-20-2010 11:45 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  

(05-16-2010 09:27 PM)KPN Wrote:  

(03-23-2010 03:00 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  By saying that God (the Father) became flesh and died, is taking away from Christ what is Christs,
thus becoming anti-Christ!

Most Christians do not believe that Jesus is the Father.

Have you ever heard first hand from someone who professes to be a Christian, that they believe Jesus is the Father?

thanks!

Are you blind? What do all your buddies on .net say?

Oh sorry I forgot they ain't Christian!

You guys need to lighten up on Kevin here. He's come to this site with some interesting ideas. Not forcefully, not braggingly, not adamantly, and a couple of you are treating him just as .net would treat someone not in their group.

I personally have never heard or read any Christian claim that Jesus is the Father. There are many that say He is God, but that God exists in three different stasis... or something like that. I don't quite follow it. But that's not saying Jesus is the Father. I could be mistaking though because I'm sure there are some odd theologies out there.

Daniel, since you're the one making these claims, why don't you search .net to provide the support? And then you can show us that this does indeed exist.