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~~stevepiv~~ · 03-19-2010, 10:25 PM

The Spirit and Life clearly states who they believe the Third Face is... And it's NOT referring to Easter vs. Paska worship, or any "Obryadi".

The Scripture from Colossians is clear and to the point. No other implications, or faces.

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

03-19-2010, 10:26 PM

You assume that he means the holy spirit? You know full well who he means, as do the rest of us!

**Daniel M B** · 03-20-2010, 04:52 AM

Thanks Red,
That's how I would of answered that!

Steve it won't matter what I say you are going to go against it.
I believe that God and Christ THROUGH the Spirit gave us the S&L, you don't. You said yourself.
Ask your friends at .net why they didn't post my farewell?
Some one said "spiritual adultery", that's when the bells started to ring!
I feel that's what you guys are doing now!
You can back up every thing you want but I won't agree with you!
I read a post from a few years back when you visited Oregon,
they said "... thank for your Spirit that you brought up....take some of ours with you.."
You didn't have Jesus in your heart then? Every thing you did was a lie?
That Spirit was a put on and just for show?
So tell me this NEW Jesus that you found and doing work for how is HE different from my Jesus??
And don't give me that "..you replaced Him with another Messiah.." 'cause you know that's crap!
Just because we put Maxim in the equation, it doesn't mean we replace God or Christ or the Holy Spirit!

03-20-2010, 09:36 AM

(03-20-2010 04:52 AM)Daniel M B Wrote: Just because we put Maxim in the equation, it doesn't mean we replace God or Christ or the Holy Spirit!

This is the exact problem! You, or as you say, We put mgr into the equation. Where in Scripture is it tought to put anyone else into the equation?

You say that you won't accept Scriptural backup? What do you accept? If the word of God, found in the scriptures isn't enough, what is?

The Apostle Paul was rather hard headed, he had to be knocked on his can. Read what our Lord asked him,

And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, [1] ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

All through the ages, people have "kicked against the goads," They have added what they felt was needed, ignoring the teachings that are found in scripture. Is the work that Christ did on the cross not sufficient for you?

03-20-2010, 02:24 PM

Dan,
You can post your farewell here? We are not all in charge of what is and is not posted.

Steve just as Apostle Paul was giving his all to God. Then through the mercy and grace of God, thier eyes were opened up leading to the same 100% used for the Good News of Jesus Christ.

If you notice Paul wasn't going around telling people to pray words of another man.

You say "we put Maxcim into the equation." Think hard about that statement. It's true though "we" (man) did put him there.

If I added my great great grand father into the eqaution, I would be completely removed from God as I was before Jesus Christ became my Lord and Saviour.

"We" as christians do not ADD or take away ANTHING~!

When you worship on that manner and include Maxcim, why would God listen?

**Daniel M B** · 03-21-2010, 07:46 PM

(03-20-2010 02:24 PM)Guest Wrote: Dan,
You can post your farewell here? We are not all in charge of what is and is not posted.

Steve just as Apostle Paul was giving his all to God. Then through the mercy and grace of God, thier eyes were opened up leading to the same 100% used for the Good News of Jesus Christ.

If you notice Paul wasn't going around telling people to pray words of another man.

You say "we put Maxcim into the equation." Think hard about that statement. It's true though "we" (man) did put him there.

If I added my great great grand father into the eqaution, I would be completely removed from God as I was before Jesus Christ became my Lord and Saviour.

"We" as christians do not ADD or take away ANTHING~!

When you worship on that manner and include Maxcim, why would God listen?

So what you are saying you do not recite any prayers?
You only have petitions?

03-22-2010, 12:56 PM

So, Red, how do you explain away daniel m b's adding mgr into the equation? Or how about fv's belief that mgr is the second coming, and that we are living in the 1000 year reign?

How about the rest of you here on the mu, is this what you believe? That you can add a mere man into the equation? The deception began long ago, the maximist elders in this country did away with Christ, and replaced him with a fake! Crammed a book full of hate and deceit down our throats, kept us blind from the truth that is in scripture. How long will you follow this path?

Do you want your children marrying into a family that worships mgr? Daniel is a front row elder of a church, albeit a maximist church, but one of our "own" supposed churches. And he has finally admitted the truth, that they add max into thier equation. Do you want your children lead astray by this teaching? Would you allow your children to marry a clark street members child?

Why Did God warn Israel not to take wives from other nations? Because they were pagans! God warned them that if they took pagans as mates, they would soon give in to pagan practices!

Wake up people! Putting a mere man such as mgr, in the position of king, messiah, new jewish messiah, etc... is paganism! The Lord God said, "you shall have no other gods before me" Yet we see that max props himself up as a god, and people such as Daniel M B, fourvetta, and many others have accepted this belief, and of thier own will have added max into the equation.

***RedOctober*** · 03-22-2010, 01:19 PM

I guess he's calling Christ a liar as well...

Matthew 6

[9] Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
[11] Give us this day our daily bread;
[12] And forgive us our debts,
As we also have forgiven our debtors;
[13] And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.

(03-21-2010 07:46 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:
(03-20-2010 02:24 PM)Guest Wrote: Dan,
You can post your farewell here? We are not all in charge of what is and is not posted.

Steve just as Apostle Paul was giving his all to God. Then through the mercy and grace of God, thier eyes were opened up leading to the same 100% used for the Good News of Jesus Christ.

If you notice Paul wasn't going around telling people to pray words of another man.

You say "we put Maxcim into the equation." Think hard about that statement. It's true though "we" (man) did put him there.

If I added my great great grand father into the eqaution, I would be completely removed from God as I was before Jesus Christ became my Lord and Saviour.

"We" as christians do not ADD or take away ANTHING~!

When you worship on that manner and include Maxcim, why would God listen?

So what you are saying you do not recite any prayers?
You only have petitions?

***RedOctober*** · 03-22-2010, 01:52 PM

Explain? No, its called understanding and wisdom....something you obviously lack. Add MGR to the equation? Sure, just as I add DY, EGK, Peter, James, the rest of the Apostles, Moses, King David, etc. And that's the never ending lie you love to spout. That were all praying to MGR when no one does. You are a liar and I'll even tell it to your face if you would like.

Let me guess, you spent the majority of your life adhering to someone else's religious tenants out of fear, not once ever picking up a Bible or Spirit and Life to see if you agreed, had a different view or even try to understand....because you were lazy. And you still are, but now you support Hellenistic Christianity and decided that since you didn't have faith before....everyone else must not as well. Because you can't swallow your pride that you purposely chose to live a lie. Instead you want to blame a book and people rather than yourself. And along comes a false teaching that says you don't have to make any effort, you can still be weak, etc. It plays to all your personal weaknesses and rather than make you stronger and become a better person, it encourages you to remain in them. Thus not being born again.

Thats why you continue to attack Molokan fringe groups and try to label the whole as being just like them. You haven't come to terms with yourself, all you can still do is lash out and lie to yourself even more. You don't know what you believed in the past when you were a Molokan and now that you are not, you still don't. Thats why you come on here and grandstand, trying to prove to your fellow apostates, Molokans and yourself that you do have faith. If you had faith, you wouldn't need to prove it and you are still living a lie.

Pagan practices? Really, like your pagan Christmas, your fertility festival known as Easter, bet you love those chocolate bunnies and colored eggs. You really shouldn't play the pagan card when you embrace Hellenistic doctrines, religions, etc. that are overflowing with paganism.

If anyone needs a wake up call...its you.

Thus far every post you have contributed here in the open section has been inflammatory and accusational....what kind of fruits is that from? Because those are sure aren't the fruits of someone who is of Christ.

(03-22-2010 12:56 PM)Guest Wrote: So, Red, how do you explain away daniel m b's adding mgr into the equation? Or how about fv's belief that mgr is the second coming, and that we are living in the 1000 year reign?

How about the rest of you here on the mu, is this what you believe? That you can add a mere man into the equation? The deception began long ago, the maximist elders in this country did away with Christ, and replaced him with a fake! Crammed a book full of hate and deceit down our throats, kept us blind from the truth that is in scripture. How long will you follow this path?

Do you want your children marrying into a family that worships mgr? Daniel is a front row elder of a church, albeit a maximist church, but one of our "own" supposed churches. And he has finally admitted the truth, that they add max into thier equation. Do you want your children lead astray by this teaching? Would you allow your children to marry a clark street members child?

Why Did God warn Israel not to take wives from other nations? Because they were pagans! God warned them that if they took pagans as mates, they would soon give in to pagan practices!

Wake up people! Putting a mere man such as mgr, in the position of king, messiah, new jewish messiah, etc... is paganism! The Lord God said, "you shall have no other gods before me" Yet we see that max props himself up as a god, and people such as Daniel M B, fourvetta, and many others have accepted this belief, and of thier own will have added max into the equation.

03-22-2010, 04:50 PM

Honestly Red, there is no need for me to comment, or defend myself. The tone, and language you use says it all.