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[Guest]

Wow red, you sure hold yourself in high reagard don't you. Remember, God makes foolish what we consider to be wise. You have propped yourself up here at this site as all knowing. You accuse people of doing things that you yourself are guilty of! How "respectful" are you of others? Do you not talk down to those that don't agree with you?

A few of us from the "other" site have made attempts at having meaningful discussions, only to get the same puffed up replies that ooze contempt. It's no wonder that you moved out of L.A, there wasn't enough room in this crowded city to contain your massive ego!

Let me ask you, other than this website, what have you done for the brotherhood? Have you visited the sick? Have you comforted the greiving? Do you reach out to orphans? Do you help those that are afflicted by drugs, alcohol, porn, gambling? Or do you just sit in the cheap seats and take you highly educated pot shots!

" But God chose the foolish things of this world, to shame the wise."

I know that you will now go on a rant to discredit what i have said, you will attempt to use your "book" smarts to try and shame me, but that's ok. People read, and they can determine for themselves, what's trye, and what's false.

So, again i ask all of you, are you willing to denounce the name of Christ, and substitute it for mgr? This is what is said of my Leader!

10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus [1] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. [2] 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

[RedOctober]

Steve,

What your implying is Dan said to worship MGR....thats misleading when you quote just a specific area. When you look at the whole, that wasn't the intention. The implication was our way of worship of God which was given to MGR. If you don't see it that way, thats just your opinion.

(03-18-2010 09:36 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 07:52 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  

(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote:  So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

RedOctober,

I don't think that guest was demoting Christ, but rather Daniel M B.

Read his statement that he made:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

The Bible states:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

[RedOctober]

Wow red, you sure hold yourself in high reagard don't you. Remember, God makes foolish what we consider to be wise. You have propped yourself up here at this site as all knowing. You accuse people of doing things that you yourself are guilty of! How "respectful" are you of others? Do you not talk down to those that don't agree with you?


So you've called me egotistical...that's fine your entitled to think whatever you like. And when I answer a question, I get accused of being "all-knowing"....but if I don't answer then its "I don't know what I believe". Do I talk down to those who disagree with me? No. I talk down to those who talk down to me....such as yourself.

A few of us from the "other" site have made attempts at having meaningful discussions, only to get the same puffed up replies that ooze contempt. It's no wonder that you moved out of L.A, there wasn't enough room in this crowded city to contain your massive ego!

Meaningful? I hope your kidding, because thats a flat out lie. When people get called false, heretical, condemned, etc. who is oozing contempt? Puffed up replies? Pot to kettle. And of course you attack where I live, in some sort of veiled attempt to get me angry? Sounds like you need to take a look at the finger pointing back at you from your own hand, sounds like contempt is your middle name. Meaningful to you is someone who changes their faith to agree with yours. Thats not meaningful, thats subversion and you know it.

Let me ask you, other than this website, what have you done for the brotherhood? Have you visited the sick? Have you comforted the greiving? Do you reach out to orphans? Do you help those that are afflicted by drugs, alcohol, porn, gambling? Or do you just sit in the cheap seats and take you highly educated pot shots!

So your asking me to prove my works to you? For a group of people who plays them down, thats funny.....If you actually read some of my replies you would know that I don't let my left hand know what my right hand is doing. Nor do I have to prove my worth to any individual. If you really did apply the teachings of the Bible...you would know that already.

I know that you will now go on a rant to discredit what i have said, you will attempt to use your "book" smarts to try and shame me, but that's ok. People read, and they can determine for themselves, what's trye, and what's false.

So I know and believe my faith....and you call it "book smarts". Oh the irony...so basically if someone doesn't believe the same as you, then its "book smarts" and should be dismissed. Seriously...how long are you going to play this "I know you are but what am I" game. Just face facts, you don't understand the Bible and never understood the Spirit and Life. Rather than come to terms with that, you accept spoon fed answers from man made doctrines for the Bible and reject the Spirit and Life.

So, again i ask all of you, are you willing to denounce the name of Christ, and substitute it for mgr? This is what is said of my Leader!

MGR stated in Book 5, Article 9, verse 3, very plainly.....

3. All of us belive that He (Christ) is the eternal Redeemer and Savior of all who believe upon Him by way of the truth of the evengelical new commandment and law of love for one another, in the holiness of the Spirit of the Apostolic union, without any type of violation. Amen.

Now let me ask you....why is it over here on the MU we can discuss scripture and even have an abundance of topics on scripture, but you folks on .net can't seem to get a topic going? Why is it all you can do is talk about what is wrong with Molokans, the Spirit and Life, issue name calling (like calling people who volunteer their time the Sanhedrin), etc. Why are all your fruits negative? If I were you, I wonder why I'm doing all the finger pointing, heresy hunting, etc. and not bringing up God's word. Why can't you stomp your feet to remove the dust and walk away? I haven't posted on .net in ages...save one a few days ago where I pointed out to LTTBT that it was Apostle James and not Peter that ministered to the Jewish people and that was it. How is it none of you can profess or teach scripture? Or is that something only for "book smart" people?

[stevepiv]

Red,

Thanks for the reply. But, that doesn't sound like the implication that Dan was making at all. I highly doubt that before MGR, our forefathers were sitting around and not worshiping God.

And, if we are talking about a Prasnic like "Paska" MGR didn't give us this holiday.

Take care!

(03-18-2010 12:04 PM)RedOctober Wrote:  Steve,

What your implying is Dan said to worship MGR....thats misleading when you quote just a specific area. When you look at the whole, that wasn't the intention. The implication was our way of worship of God which was given to MGR. If you don't see it that way, thats just your opinion.

(03-18-2010 09:36 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 07:52 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  

(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote:  So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

RedOctober,

I don't think that guest was demoting Christ, but rather Daniel M B.

Read his statement that he made:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

The Bible states:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

[RedOctober]

Of course it doesn't. Remember you are reading it from a position adverse to the Spirit and Life, so naturaly you will see it as adverse to you. To use an example, if I believed Obama was a die hard socialist then I would see everything he does as an attempt to placate socialism.

You are also correct, Christ said "Do this in rememberance of me". But prior to MGR, it was still observed much in an Easter format. There is an article from MGR that describes how we should approach the Passover.

(03-18-2010 12:29 PM)stevepiv Wrote:  Red,

Thanks for the reply. But, that doesn't sound like the implication that Dan was making at all. I highly doubt that before MGR, our forefathers were sitting around and not worshiping God.

And, if we are talking about a Prasnic like "Paska" MGR didn't give us this holiday.

Take care!

(03-18-2010 12:04 PM)RedOctober Wrote:  Steve,

What your implying is Dan said to worship MGR....thats misleading when you quote just a specific area. When you look at the whole, that wasn't the intention. The implication was our way of worship of God which was given to MGR. If you don't see it that way, thats just your opinion.

(03-18-2010 09:36 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 07:52 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  

(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote:  So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

RedOctober,

I don't think that guest was demoting Christ, but rather Daniel M B.

Read his statement that he made:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

The Bible states:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

[stevepiv]

Regardless of someone's position of the Spirit and Life, when you read a comment that says:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

That should raise a caution flag. As the Scripture from Colossians says:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Your example does not justify nor clear up the situation. The verses from Colossians explain it well enough.

(03-18-2010 12:55 PM)RedOctober Wrote:  Of course it doesn't. Remember you are reading it from a position adverse to the Spirit and Life, so naturaly you will see it as adverse to you. To use an example, if I believed Obama was a die hard socialist then I would see everything he does as an attempt to placate socialism.

You are also correct, Christ said "Do this in rememberance of me". But prior to MGR, it was still observed much in an Easter format. There is an article from MGR that describes how we should approach the Passover.

(03-18-2010 12:29 PM)stevepiv Wrote:  Red,

Thanks for the reply. But, that doesn't sound like the implication that Dan was making at all. I highly doubt that before MGR, our forefathers were sitting around and not worshiping God.

And, if we are talking about a Prasnic like "Paska" MGR didn't give us this holiday.

Take care!

(03-18-2010 12:04 PM)RedOctober Wrote:  Steve,

What your implying is Dan said to worship MGR....thats misleading when you quote just a specific area. When you look at the whole, that wasn't the intention. The implication was our way of worship of God which was given to MGR. If you don't see it that way, thats just your opinion.

(03-18-2010 09:36 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 07:52 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  

(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote:  So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

RedOctober,

I don't think that guest was demoting Christ, but rather Daniel M B.

Read his statement that he made:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

The Bible states:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

[RedOctober]

I think you're reading way too much into his comment. But perhaps Daniel can clear it up whenever he logs in.

[stevepiv]

(03-19-2010 07:17 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  I think you're reading way too much into his comment. But perhaps Daniel can clear it up whenever he logs in.

Who then do you think Daniel is mentioning when he says:

Daniel M Wrote:Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

Daniel Already mentions, the Father, the Son, the true Holy Spirit.... then adds on someone or something that we go through.

[RedOctober]

Steve,

I answered that question already, granted I did not spell it out, but with limited time that I have, I thought you would pick up on it. And I thought you would because on .net they call you an expert on the Spirit and Life and since you have not stated otherwise, I have to assume that you do fancy yourself as an expert. And of course they belittle my knowledge...which is perfectly fine. I have been and always will be just a student of the Bible and Spirit and Life, I don't believe anyone can ever be an expert on God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So let me restate my answer in more plain terms.

You ignored the whole context of Dan's post, that being it was about Paska. And you spliced a sentence and focused on the latter half of it and implied that Dan was advocating worshipping MGR, while ignoring everything else he wrote. When Dan said "through thier anoited Third Face" I took it as through the Holy Spirit which spoke through MGR about Paska on how we should celebrate it. This is what was written: MGR 5:9:13-29. I will type out the first two verses only as its quite lengthly and I would rather spend more time with family than the internet.

English Translation 1976 (Red Cover)

19 Paska we always celebrate with an offering and the breaking of bread without any satanic thoughts. Acctually, by the same very words and deeds of our Lord Jesus Christ; like in the beginning He broke the bread Himself on the supper of the Jewish Passover withing the chambers of Ocensa.

20 He gave directly to all the apostles His ready-made food and cup of drink, of which everyone ate and drank although not everyone was sanctified by it.

Enlish Translation 1983 & 2005

19 THE PASSOVER we always celebrate with an offering of the breaking of bread, without any type of satanic designs whatever, according to the very word and act of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, just as He Himself broke it first on the evening of the holiday of the Hebrew Passover in the chamber of a certain person.

20 This He served prepared to all of His Apostles plainly as food, and drink from a cup. And they all ate and drank it, but not all were sanctified by it.

If you still reject my answer and wish to focus on a spliced sentence, thats your choice. If your trying to pull another or different answer from me, your not going to get it. Thats how I perceive Dan's statement, no matter if you agree or disagree with it. In the end, it is your choice to decide how and what to believe.

(03-19-2010 08:55 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-19-2010 07:17 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  I think you're reading way too much into his comment. But perhaps Daniel can clear it up whenever he logs in.

Who then do you think Daniel is mentioning when he says:

Daniel M Wrote:Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

Daniel Already mentions, the Father, the Son, the true Holy Spirit.... then adds on someone or something that we go through.

[stevepiv]

I am NO expert in the Bible or Spirit & Life and will state that on the .net if that will make you feel better.

Thanks for your answer, and you are right, we each have a choice to agree/disagree.

Agreed, family time is better than internet.

Take care.

(03-19-2010 07:37 PM)RedOctober Wrote:  Steve,

I answered that question already, granted I did not spell it out, but with limited time that I have, I thought you would pick up on it. And I thought you would because on .net they call you an expert on the Spirit and Life and since you have not stated otherwise, I have to assume that you do fancy yourself as an expert. And of course they belittle my knowledge...which is perfectly fine. I have been and always will be just a student of the Bible and Spirit and Life, I don't believe anyone can ever be an expert on God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So let me restate my answer in more plain terms.

You ignored the whole context of Dan's post, that being it was about Paska. And you spliced a sentence and focused on the latter half of it and implied that Dan was advocating worshipping MGR, while ignoring everything else he wrote. When Dan said "through thier anoited Third Face" I took it as through the Holy Spirit which spoke through MGR about Paska on how we should celebrate it. This is what was written: MGR 5:9:13-29. I will type out the first two verses only as its quite lengthly and I would rather spend more time with family than the internet.

English Translation 1976 (Red Cover)

19 Paska we always celebrate with an offering and the breaking of bread without any satanic thoughts. Acctually, by the same very words and deeds of our Lord Jesus Christ; like in the beginning He broke the bread Himself on the supper of the Jewish Passover withing the chambers of Ocensa.

20 He gave directly to all the apostles His ready-made food and cup of drink, of which everyone ate and drank although not everyone was sanctified by it.

Enlish Translation 1983 & 2005

19 THE PASSOVER we always celebrate with an offering of the breaking of bread, without any type of satanic designs whatever, according to the very word and act of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, just as He Himself broke it first on the evening of the holiday of the Hebrew Passover in the chamber of a certain person.

20 This He served prepared to all of His Apostles plainly as food, and drink from a cup. And they all ate and drank it, but not all were sanctified by it.

If you still reject my answer and wish to focus on a spliced sentence, thats your choice. If your trying to pull another or different answer from me, your not going to get it. Thats how I perceive Dan's statement, no matter if you agree or disagree with it. In the end, it is your choice to decide how and what to believe.

(03-19-2010 08:55 AM)stevepiv Wrote:  

(03-19-2010 07:17 AM)RedOctober Wrote:  I think you're reading way too much into his comment. But perhaps Daniel can clear it up whenever he logs in.

Who then do you think Daniel is mentioning when he says:

Daniel M Wrote:Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

Daniel Already mentions, the Father, the Son, the true Holy Spirit.... then adds on someone or something that we go through.