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**Daniel M B** · 03-11-2010, 11:18 PM

In '02 when we visited Oregon, AMB did some research on the movement of the seven churches,
and in library archives of the catholic/orthodox/monastery (Mt Angel, Can't remember which one it was)
Found micro docs. about them, like diary entries,or logs, and their movements and yes they were taken over by the
Roman catholics.
A few things were interesting about that, is that they write about a group they could not catch up with, that kept moving north.
When the orthodox church established in the Tambov region they found villages that had same obradi as the ones in the south.
I saw AM's notes where he copied the entries, entry was dated 1626.
"What do we do with these people? They work hard and pay their 10th of what we leave them, and obey the laws but do not
sub-come to our beliefs. There are many old people and we guess them to be between 70 and 90 years of age.
We see no sick or poor, yet they have no possessions, a few cattle and birds. We have taken their lands and all that they have is ours, yet they seem happy. By the suggestion of the arch bishop we will leave them alone until they cause trouble."

I believe our fore fathers came from those villages and where those chosen of God that the Spirit kept moving.
Over the hundreds of years moved around Russia and Europe. Those being the blood line of Abraham and inheritors of the promise.
We must believe that we are of that blood line. That is why we must keep to our own.

Orthodox was the church and government at the time. So when it writes that Gavril (?) Rudametkin, and his family, left orthodoxy and went over the Caucasus, it may not mean that they left the church, but they left that government!

God will guide and gather His people as it is written "from the four corners of the world".
That is Gods will and He will gather those He pleases, it is NOT up to us to go out and gather.
It's like you're going against Gods will, thus SINNING.
We pray it 3 times a day (or should) "..THY WILL, WILL BE DONE.."
It seems not all of us pay attention to much!

**Daniel M B** · 03-12-2010, 02:21 PM

With praznik coming up, I found this comment, that I thought brings to light an issue about "the other site"

For a group that only believe in the Bible and dismiss the S&L as words of a "mad man".
Some one even said "...if you don't fulfill ALL of MGRs writings, you are lukewarm. And you know what God thinks of lukewarm.."
With comments like ".. I'm going to be camping...rather spend my time surfing..."
Is that fulfilling the "inherent word of God"?
BY the comments below, you can see they want nothing to do with God!
They have put their faith into the MAN Jesus and not the SON of God, the true Christ.
Christ said "..I did not come to change/abolish the law but fulfill it.."
Why do they miss that point?
"..live by the words of Jesus... not a man named Maxim" is a typical come back line.
Let's pray that the spirits that have possessed them get "..cast into swine.."
Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

<<<<<FOR THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVER Ex 19:3-5 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, "This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel : 4' You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself . 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession.

FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER Heb 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant , no place would have been sought for another 8 But God found fault with the people and said: "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Gal 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery

Gal 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law , that I might live unto God.

1 Cor 5:7 …..for Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

Gal 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon
( Mosaic Holidays) celebration or a Sabbath day.

17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

(Reality is not found in fulfillment of ANY ceremonial holiday!)>>>>>>

RedOctober · (This post was last modified: 03-12-2010 10:04 PM by RedOctober.)

So, what say the rest of you, are you going to do as ##### suggests, and give glory to God through an annointed 3rd face? Are you really ready to make that leap? It's kind of scary isn't it? Deep down, you know it's wrong, but hey, all the cool kids are doing it, and ya gotta be cool don't ya?

You never did answer the question ######, do you fulfill all of mgr's obryadi? According to ####### (aka) fourvetta, you guys are posers if you aren't!

**Daniel M B** · 03-12-2010, 04:38 PM

S&L PAGE 480

...designs of the spirit of the devil, the deceiver of all the world.

4. He cunningly planned to set up out of the descendants of ancient, evil people, kings and rulers, as if they were from the side of all christians even though it was hypocrisy and did bypass the new commandment of Christ.

5. So that thorough them he might the more quickly publish his diabolic, castigating law and dogma of belief according to human commandment and not that of Christ.

This is what has come over our fallen brothers!
They think they are doing Christs will/work but sadly are being guided by the devil and satan, the spirit of darkness!

***RedOctober*** · 03-17-2010, 08:21 AM

Thanks for the references. I also heard AMB mention the story....however, you and I both know there is a credibility issue with him.

One thing I wanted to bring up...when I was approving the posts in this thread, I couldn't help note the irony of the post from "Guest" and your post right afterward.

But these attitudes from the other side need to be shown, their malice and contempt needs to be displayed....this is their fruits, no peace, no hope, no love, etc.

~~GreatDay~~ · 03-17-2010, 09:01 AM

(03-11-2010 11:18 PM)Daniel M B Wrote: In '02 when we visited Oregon, AMB did some research on the movement of the seven churches,
and in library archives of the catholic/orthodox/monastery (Mt Angel, Can't remember which one it was)
Found micro docs. about them, like diary entries,or logs, and their movements and yes they were taken over by the
Roman catholics.
A few things were interesting about that, is that they write about a group they could not catch up with, that kept moving north.
When the orthodox church established in the Tambov region they found villages that had same obradi as the ones in the south.
I saw AM's notes where he copied the entries, entry was dated 1626.
"What do we do with these people? They work hard and pay their 10th of what we leave them, and obey the laws but do not
sub-come to our beliefs. There are many old people and we guess them to be between 70 and 90 years of age.
We see no sick or poor, yet they have no possessions, a few cattle and birds. We have taken their lands and all that they have is ours, yet they seem happy. By the suggestion of the arch bishop we will leave them alone until they cause trouble."

I believe our fore fathers came from those villages and where those chosen of God that the Spirit kept moving.
Over the hundreds of years moved around Russia and Europe. Those being the blood line of Abraham and inheritors of the promise.
We must believe that we are of that blood line. That is why we must keep to our own.

Dan-Where in the Bible does it say Molokans are of the blood-line of Abraham? What happens if someone does not "keep to their own"? Do you know there are lots of Molokans that have had DNA tests and showed up with German "blood?" Should the elders make us all take a DNA test? If you look up "trousers" in a English/ German translater you will get a 'Molokan" last name.
What about the Blood of Jesus?

You are saying that it is NOT up to us to go unto the four corners of the world to "gather" but God will? That is OUR job- read page 27 in the Spirit and Life about how are True Forfathers evangalized? Who put a stop to that? If no one is obediant to God NO one will hear the Gospel

Why should we pray only three times a day? What if the Spirit works in us every moment and we are praying unceasingly as God allows us to through His Word in THe Holy Bible. Who changed God's word and said only three times?

Also, in another post you said repentance, is done with some elders and Oche Nash and a couple of other prayers? Where does it say that?

You are apperently lost in this club that thes others are in and see it as "cool" to be part of this elite system that does not exist. If you notice, Red has allready came closer to The Bible and less of the spirit and life. In the first days of this club, to be a member and post and sort of Scriptural content you HAD to be pro-Spirit and Life (Irony). Now, he quotes from the Bible more and in time he if it's God's will he will be able to break free fron the Spirt and Life.

I asked God to forgive me for anytime that I did sing or learn some of the songs and prayers fro that book and have nothing to do with it? And I am still a Member?

Orthodox was the church and government at the time. So when it writes that Gavril (?) Rudametkin, and his family, left orthodoxy and went over the Caucasus, it may not mean that they left the church, but they left that government!

God will guide and gather His people as it is written "from the four corners of the world".
That is Gods will and He will gather those He pleases, it is NOT up to us to go out and gather.
It's like you're going against Gods will, thus SINNING.
We pray it 3 times a day (or should) "..THY WILL, WILL BE DONE.."
It seems not all of us pay attention to much!

03-17-2010, 05:10 PM

So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

***RedOctober*** · 03-18-2010, 07:49 AM

Dan-Where in the Bible does it say Molokans are of the blood-line of Abraham?

If you paid attention to his post, you would see that its theoretical and in the Spirit and Life it...oh that's right, your just going to ignore it.

What happens if someone does not "keep to their own"?

Why don't you ask the Israelites of the the Old Testament as to how that went? They took on foreign teachings, customs, etc. Much of what you are trying to advocate.

Do you know there are lots of Molokans that have had DNA tests and showed up with German "blood?" Should the elders make us all take a DNA test? If you look up "trousers" in a English/ German translater you will get a 'Molokan" last name.
What about the Blood of Jesus?

And you have these DNA results from where?

Oh and Jesus was a Jew. Something many "Christians" try to ignore or hide.

You are saying that it is NOT up to us to go unto the four corners of the world to "gather" but God will? That is OUR job- read page 27 in the Spirit and Life about how are True Forfathers evangalized? Who put a stop to that? If no one is obediant to God NO one will hear the Gospel

You know...you contradicted yourself. First you say its "OUR job" in the first part of the sentence...then imply "obedient to God". So which is it? Is our job our up to God to call someone to evangelize. I of course believe if someone is called to evangelize in say Somalia, then they should go....how about you?

Why should we pray only three times a day? What if the Spirit works in us every moment and we are praying unceasingly as God allows us to through His Word in THe Holy Bible. Who changed God's word and said only three times?

Well, if you actually read the Bible....you would know that...interestingly enough, the Prophet Daniel was put into the lions den for praying three times a day. You know, pray in the morning....start your day with God. Pray Mid-day or whenever feasible, ask God for help afflicting you that day...pray in the evening, thanking God for his help and ask for his protection at night....too bad your against that, guess you think the Bible is wrong when it doesn't agree with you.

Also, in another post you said repentance, is done with some elders and Oche Nash and a couple of other prayers? Where does it say that?

I know what your trying to say...and it isn't what he is saying.

You are apperently lost in this club that thes others are in and see it as "cool" to be part of this elite system that does not exist. If you notice, Red has allready came closer to The Bible and less of the spirit and life. In the first days of this club, to be a member and post and sort of Scriptural content you HAD to be pro-Spirit and Life (Irony). Now, he quotes from the Bible more and in time he if it's God's will he will be able to break free fron the Spirt and Life.

Cool? You really need to grow up....or get therapy. As for me coming "closer to the Bible"....that's what proves your blind. I've always been this close. Nor have I moved away from the Spirit and Life...that's just your wishful thinking. And there is no "club". A true Molokan believes by faith...guess you were never a Molokan.

I asked God to forgive me for anytime that I did sing or learn some of the songs and prayers fro that book and have nothing to do with it? And I am still a Member?

You renounced the faith. Both Bible and Spirit and Life are clear on that point as to what happens.

***RedOctober*** · 03-18-2010, 07:52 AM

(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote: So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

~~stevepiv~~ · 03-18-2010, 09:36 AM

(03-18-2010 07:52 AM)RedOctober Wrote:
(03-17-2010 05:10 PM)Guest Wrote: So, who is willing to denounce the name of Jesus Christ, and substitute it for maxim, or the 3rd face, or the king of spirits, or uleasar, or king ures, or god fo the faithful, or the new jewish messiah, or any of the several other titles that max coined for himself?

Christ is the third feature? You want to demote Christ? Thats really sad.

But thats what I like about these rants from you .net folks....it really shows your mentality....or in this case...the lack of it.

RedOctober,

I don't think that guest was demoting Christ, but rather Daniel M B.

Read his statement that he made:

(03-12-2010 02:21 PM)Daniel M B Wrote: Let's all have a worry free praznic, be fulfilled spiritually, and give praise and glory to those that sit in the heavens.
The Father, the Son and true Holy Spirit, through their anointed the Third Face Amen!

The Bible states:

Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.