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**Daniel M B** · 01-06-2010, 10:26 PM

I have been on the other (so called) molokan web site,
trying to make sense of what they are babbbbbbbbling about!

I recognised a few names there, I thank all of you for holding to
what is true!

Are those people even "molokans"?

I have an idea who "seeker of truth" is, anybody knows for sure
email me.

Has anybody been there and found it offensive as well?

Found anything worth reading?

Should I be stoned (with rocks) for going there?

"stevepiv" are you really "reborn" like they say?

I'll stop there (I have a 100 more to follow).

01-07-2010, 08:52 AM

(01-06-2010 10:26 PM)Daniel M B Wrote: I have been on the other (so called) molokan web site,
trying to make sense of what they are babbbbbbbbling about!

I recognised a few names there, I thank all of you for holding to
what is true!

Are those people even "molokans"?

I have an idea who "seeker of truth" is, anybody knows for sure
email me.

Has anybody been there and found it offensive as well?

Found anything worth reading?

Should I be stoned (with rocks) for going there?

"stevepiv" are you really "reborn" like they say?

I'll stop there (I have a 100 more to follow).

What is offensive the truth?

***RedOctober*** · (This post was last modified: 01-07-2010 09:43 AM by RedOctober.)

I have been on the other (so called) molokan web site,
trying to make sense of what they are babbbbbbbbling about!

Yeah, its VERY disorganized and convulted....but I would say its a reflection of thier beliefs.

Are those people even "molokans"?

Nope, they are apostates at best. If they upheld Postyanni beliefs then yes they could still make that claim, but they don't even do that.

I have an idea who "seeker of truth" is, anybody knows for sure
email me.

I'll PM you.

Has anybody been there and found it offensive as well?

Heh...both Molokans and Non-Molokans have found it offensive.

Found anything worth reading?

Its usually recycled dribble. Half-truths based on reading "in between the lies", ignoring valid explanations, lots of ape chest thumping and endless hypocrisy

Should I be stoned (with rocks) for going there?

Sometimes I fell like I need a shower or bath after reading some of the junk there. But no one is going to stone you.

01-07-2010, 10:20 AM

Half-Truths does not constitute the truth.
Hypocrisy does not constitute the truth.
Lies are not the truth.
Mis-representation is not the truth.
Ignoring the truth for a "truth" you prefer is not the truth.
Political council doctrines are not the truth.
Convoluted Biblical explanations are not the truth.
Harassment tactics are not the truth.
Name calling and blasting others is not the truth.

....and yes Virginia, that describes that site quite well.

(01-07-2010 08:52 AM)guest Wrote: What is offensive the truth?

***RedOctober*** · 01-14-2010, 04:25 PM

Saw this quote once used in jest, think it applies all to well to many of the arguments over there:

Quote:If you disagree with me, it is because you are wrong and belong to a cult or some other group I can easily dismiss with a short, insulting generalization.

01-14-2010, 05:42 PM

(01-07-2010 09:42 AM)RedOctober Wrote: If you disagree with me, it is because you are wrong and belong to a cult or some other group I can easily dismiss with a short, insulting generalization.

You mean like this one?

(01-07-2010 09:42 AM)RedOctober Wrote: Nope, they are apostates at best. If they upheld Postyanni beliefs then yes they could still make that claim, but they don't even do that.

01-15-2010, 08:26 PM

Is the underground any different?

(01-14-2010 04:25 PM)RedOctober Wrote: Saw this quote once used in jest, think it applies all to well to many of the arguments over there:

Quote:If you disagree with me, it is because you are wrong and belong to a cult or some other group I can easily dismiss with a short, insulting generalization.

***RedOctober*** · 01-19-2010, 09:07 AM

(01-14-2010 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote:
(01-07-2010 09:42 AM)RedOctober Wrote: If you disagree with me, it is because you are wrong and belong to a cult or some other group I can easily dismiss with a short, insulting generalization.

You mean like this one?

(01-07-2010 09:42 AM)RedOctober Wrote: Nope, they are apostates at best. If they upheld Postyanni beliefs then yes they could still make that claim, but they don't even do that.

Nope.

Apostate, def: one who commits apostasy

Apostasy, def: Abandonment of one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.

Most of them have declared abandonment and campaign against the Spirit and Life Book, used predominately by Priguni Molokans.

Most of them have declared abandonment and campaign against the 1803 Molokan Dogmas which predates the authors of the Spirit and Life Book....and is used by the Postyanni.

Anyone who promotes any semblance of Molokan theology gets verbally harassed over there, particularly by the Admin (a.k.a. Seeking). Nor does it matter if they are for or against the Spirit and Life book, you promote any form of Molokan theology the Admin there will have some vile words for you.

Furthermore, many actively promote that current Molokans abandon Molokan principles and fully embrace a Protestant Religion (thats considered "acceptable" to them).

Finally, no one over here has called the other site a cult. Whereas over there, when mentioning Molokans the sentence is usually: a verb, a conjunction, the word "Molokan" and the word "cult" in varied order.

***RedOctober*** · 01-19-2010, 09:09 AM

(01-15-2010 08:26 PM)Guest Wrote: Is the underground any different?

(01-14-2010 04:25 PM)RedOctober Wrote: Saw this quote once used in jest, think it applies all to well to many of the arguments over there:

Quote:If you disagree with me, it is because you are wrong and belong to a cult or some other group I can easily dismiss with a short, insulting generalization.

Is the Underground different? Well, I sure won't allow one person call another "an idiot" or any other third grade degrading banter. Furthermore, this site promotes Molokan Theology (albeit, supportive of the Spirit and Life book, if you don't like it, you need a different site) and Molokan principles.

Nor will you see anyone here promoting anyone to leave Molokans and conversely, leave Protestantism. And of course, implications that someone is going to "hell" for not believing a specified way isn't approved of here.

If your trying to point out the MU is biased, well of course, its plainly obvious and no bones are made about it. Its very well explicitly stated. Whereas over there, deception is an acceptable practice.

01-19-2010, 10:06 AM

(01-19-2010 09:07 AM)RedOctober Wrote: Most of them have declared abandonment and campaign against the 1803 Molokan Dogmas which predates the authors of the Spirit and Life Book....and is used by the Postyanni.

From the Molokan 1803 Dogmas.
Article 1 - God
We believe in only one God, who exists in Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, as Apostle St. Paul said in his epistle to the Ephesians, Chapter 2, verse 20, "Built upon the foundations of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone." And Christ said in Matthew, Chapter 28, verse 19, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Seems like many molokans through lack of understanding abandoned this one sometime in the past 50-80 years. Also note, this is article 1, the one that those forefathers of ours decided was the most important point to start out with.