Enslavement

[guest]

People die every year due to not being able to afford the medical treatment necessary to treat illnesses considered fatal. The arguments are usually "Go to the emergency room!". How does an emergency room treat someone with cancer who needs protracted chemo and radiation therapy? How does an emergency room treat someone who needs preventative open heart surgery? Wait until he or she has a massive heart attack and hope he or she survives? Who does this harm the most? Why the poor of course.

And of course, it only gets worse from there. If they do get life saving treatment, they are faced with another burdensome issue of finances. Because of their inability to pay, their credit ratings are often ruined. And of course this has burdensome results, if they need another vehicle the cost to pay for it is higher, their insurance to cover the vehicle will also go up. When it comes to housing, some will simply not accept a person with low credit as a tenant or charge a higher amount.

One can yell food stamps, section 8, welfare, etc. But such programs rob a person of their dignity and hope. Many have raised an eyebrow, became impatient at the grocery store as a person who is on food stamps has to have every single one of their coupons verified and causing a long line to result. A person on Section 8 is subject to search by the authorities for search of narcotics, compliance, etc. and treated like a common criminal. Should a person obtain a job to leave such circumstances, quite often the wages are not enough to keep them afloat. And God forbid it they owe medical expenses, because if they do then what small tax return they gain will be taken from them and wages will be garnished.

One can then yell "but they could get schooling and train for a better job!". Yes they can, but it’s very expensive and often results with high tuition forcing them to get student loans which can never be discharged and gives lenders rights to recover that even criminal mobs envy. And quite often, the amount they owe in tuition is very significant and the wages they receive are barely comparable and often times exceeds.

Another argument, "They can go into the Military!" Yes the military promises a plethora of promises of how they can fund your education, get you a better job in life, etc. And many of the middle class and poor join for these purposes. Only too often they find out that the promises are quite often exaggerated or flat out lies. Furthermore, all too often to obtain the necessary funds for schooling one must commit a significant portion of their lives to the possibility of being "called up" to kill for the American empire, and all to often it happens. Thus like the Roman soldier, they are forever a slave to the state.

One solution to alleviate the burden of the poor is being trumpeted by the compassionate or delusional, depending on your point of view, is to institute a socialized version of medical coverage. Many have pounced on and attacked it. Medical coverage will be rationed is one argument, yet why is it that the vast majority of developed nations that have socialized medicine do not have this problem? If it were the issue, most of their populaces would demand that it be eliminated, but instead continue to embrace it. What makes this argument even more delusional, even in some developing nations such as Mexico have a form of socialized medicine. Some will point out specific examples of a person leaving a nation with socialized medicine to get treatment in the United States, but therein lies the lies. It's specific examples, you never hear or see statistical information. Why? Because these situations are all too often unique. And also take note, quite often they have a non life threatening condition and simply do not want to wait. And what they don't point out, they have the funds to pay the costly amount to get treatment.

Many will exclaim that the United States has the highest quality of Medical Care. Sadly, I wish it were true. The Word Health Organization ranked the United States as 37th...behind Costa Rica. One can dismiss the UN as being anti-american and therefore wrong, but, even so-called conservative operations such as the John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and other organizations even concluded that the United States is seriously lagging.

Now one can conclude that current legislation in Congress will finally rectify this growing problem. That too is a lie. The only reason why health care is being tackled is due to a cost saving measure. All those emergency room visits by people who are too poor to pay sky rocketing costs or self employed individuals whose business can't quite grapple with the costs have finally started taking their toll on the system. And in a nation that fancies itself as an empire (700-800 military bases in 63 countries), it prefers to use that money to finance its wars and global dominance rather than pay emergency room hospital bills. How?

If they forced a socialized system in, everyone would be forced to pay into it, people, corporations, etc. Based on the principles of economies of scale, this would cause the cost of health care to be greatly reduced. Granted everyone will be paying a tax for this, but many who already pay for it will see their premiums reduced. Furthermore, those who are poor world have a small sacrifice in pay for improved medical treatment. But this will never happen. This will greatly reduce the profits of medical insurance and pharmaceutical companies. On which many elected politicians depend on for campaign funds. Furthermore, this is a government program that would force many ironically, to be less dependent on the government and thereby less economically enslaved. Those in power, no doubt scoff at such an idea. Thus if you believe socialized medicine is a horrible idea, rejoice, for you will never see it in this empire. If you believe it is a great idea, weep, you will not see it in this empire.

What about the public option? What about it, it is a ruse. It may be lest costly in the short term, but as those without significant income fly in droves into it, it will eventually cause the price to rise on par with other health insurance companies. In the end, it is no solution. But this has been eliminated as of late...

What is left? A stipulation ending maximum limits. This does little as the vast majority almost never reach the current limits. A stipulation that health insurance companies cannot refuse to cover you. Who does this benefit? The wealthy. Often they will only buy-in once they discover they may have significant health issues and would rather pawn off the costs to others rather than affect their fortunes. The poor still can't afford it.

And the worst part about it? Health insurance will become mandatory. Now everyone will have to pay into the medical insurance companies and thereby enslaving the the middle and poor even more. If you do not, they you will be fined. What does the government stand to receive? They will no longer have to pick up the bill for unpaid medical, providing for more funds for the empire. The increase in profits for corporations will provide and increase in taxes.

And do not lie to yourself or be a fool following a fool thinking "If a Republican was elected...." If one looks back, they were promising the same thing. Ending insurance caps, ending coverage refusal and making it mandatory. Only difference is, they added $5000 tax credit, which no doubt would have been bargained away as well.

We are all enslaved to this nation, trying to obtain material accumulation and profits as it is taught to us from our very youth. Meanwhile, to do so strips more and more of your economic liberty away as you fall to contracts, indebtness, etc. And at the same time, your ability to flee is being limited further as other nations make it harder for one to emigrate from the United States and the United States makes it harder to leave without the proper documentation using the guise of terrorism. The question is, far will this oppression continue? What will be next? Will they finally privatize the school system? Thereby forcing only the ruling class to obtain a proper education and the less fortunate a sub-standard to no education. Dumbing the population down to force it to rely on the government even more?

So begs the question, when will God decide it is enough. When the atrocities of this empire against the peoples of other nations and its own people reach a tipping point and fulfill the prophecy of Efim Garasovmich Klubmitkin of the eastern storm rising to fight the oppression of the western storm.

Isaiah
[1]

Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees,
and the writers who keep writing oppression,
[2] to turn aside the needy from justice
and to rob the poor of my people of their right,
that widows may be their spoil,
and that they may make the fatherless their prey!
[3] What will you do on the day of punishment,
in the storm which will come from afar?
To whom will you flee for help,
and where will you leave your wealth?
[4] Nothing remains but to crouch among the prisoners
or fall among the slain.
For all this his anger is not turned away
and his hand is stretched out still.


Ezekiel
[48] As I live, says the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done.
[49] Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
[50] They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it.

[Daniel M B]

HEY GUEST!
Another good reason to go to Canada, Australia, New Zealand
FREE MEDICAL CARE!
Top private cover for less than $1000/year.
What's a days stay in Memorial? $1850?
Plus they pay you to have children ($5000)
Prescription med's for $10.
They give you money to buy homes.
And more rebates than you can count!
Sounds pretty good to ME!

[Guest]

Hey Guest, which of the three countries do you live in?

(12-17-2009 02:31 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  HEY GUEST!
Another good reason to go to Canada, Australia, New Zealand
FREE MEDICAL CARE!
Top private cover for less than $1000/year.
What's a days stay in Memorial? $1850?
Plus they pay you to have children ($5000)
Prescription med's for $10.
They give you money to buy homes.
And more rebates than you can count!
Sounds pretty good to ME!

[RedOctober]

(12-17-2009 02:31 PM)Daniel M B Wrote:  HEY GUEST!
Another good reason to go to Canada, Australia, New Zealand
FREE MEDICAL CARE!
Top private cover for less than $1000/year.
What's a days stay in Memorial? $1850?
Plus they pay you to have children ($5000)
Prescription med's for $10.
They give you money to buy homes.
And more rebates than you can count!
Sounds pretty good to ME!

/sarcasm
B-B-b-b-but that's living in a socialist nightmare!

/end sarcasm

[Guest]

So whats the difference, living in that socialistic nightmare? or the living nightmare in the US? the writing is on the wall for all to see! The USA is going to pot and the govmnt will do what they will do as it is already done. their agenda will be done according to the compromise that they will let you all think that you want. it is already done! So you can either get out to better places or keep quiet and stop complaining about the mess the country is in.

[RedOctober]

(03-16-2010 07:37 PM)Guest Wrote:  So whats the difference, living in that socialistic nightmare? or the living nightmare in the US? the writing is on the wall for all to see! The USA is going to pot and the govmnt will do what they will do as it is already done. their agenda will be done according to the compromise that they will let you all think that you want. it is already done! So you can either get out to better places or keep quiet and stop complaining about the mess the country is in.

I don't think you quite understand. You have no idea how many Molokan's I have heard essentially identify with the "right wing" movement of the USA. The USA is probably more capitalist now than it has been since the 1950's....yet everyone is deluded into thinking that the USA is becoming Socialist. And I can say that with some authority, why? Because I have this piece of paper at home that I had to spend some years at a university to acquire and it says I know something about Economics.

What the USA is becoming is fascist. They are re-writing history here to exclude certain portions (basically written with a so-called conservative bent), getting people whipped up to basically blindly support their leaders, dumbing down education (and further pushing it by allowing home schooling with no safeguards) and of course a population that can't think for themselves is easier to control, etc. What I find disturbing, Molokan's supporting these same "ideals".

...And I have been reading the writing on the wall...very carefully. For now, I can still breathe a sigh of relief. Much of what was supposed to come down the pipeline has been stalled.

[Guest]

I have lived in the US, and I now live in Australia. I have never understood the American discontent with socialized medical treatment, especially after having lived with it in a (mostly) workable form. I can not understand how any one, especially any Christian, would be against it!!

-aas

[RedOctober]

Much of American Protestantism has merged religion with selfish greed. And much of American Protestantism has been bought and paid for by the exorbitant wealthy. All they have to do is inform the church leadership "hey, if this XYZ government program goes through, we can't donate this ABC sum of money for your new church, tv/radio programs, negative attack campaigns, protests, so-called faith based help programs, conversion drives, etc." And since the church has come to depend on these donations.....

Then the church leadership on high, comes down and informs all their pastors, clergy, etc. to oppose and preach against the program and of course they torture and twist scripture to fit the aim and voila....the lemmings follow. Sad....but true.

On the American dollar its written "In God we trust"....only thing is, the God its referring to is money....the true American "Christian" god.

(11-17-2010 04:24 AM)Guest Wrote:  I have lived in the US, and I now live in Australia. I have never understood the American discontent with socialized medical treatment, especially after having lived with it in a (mostly) workable form. I can not understand how any one, especially any Christian, would be against it!!

-aas

[RedOctober]

Matthew 5

[22] But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.